EquestrianScholar Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 hi hiThis is something I've thought about a lot over the years, and I guess I could see some ways the spell would be alright, but not as shown. As a marriage counselor that would make sense, but in the context of the show, she did not have their permission to go messing around in their heads. If they had asked her to help them resolve their quarrel, that might have been just fine, but she went and enforced her priorities on them without consent.It doesn't really matter if you think someone's squabbles are trivial, they need to agree that the problems are trivial. By "putting things in perspective," Cadence is essentially forcing them to reject their current, naturally achieved perspective and replacing it with another. There was no deliberation, there was no acknowledgment that their argument was a mistake, no natural resolution of their dispute, they just instantly changed topics to something completely different.She didn't change the circumstances surrounding their argument. She didn't put money in the stallion's bank account and she didn't alter time so that the mare's friends were already spending time with her getting their hooves done.They were arguing about it, so it already had at least some legitimacy, and while it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, finances are historically the #1 reason for divorce, so its not a stretch to say that there were legitimate concerns. Rather than resolve the conflict, they just ignored the problem and started talking about some "thing" that the stallion supposedly did that was cute. But what is he going to have to go without in order to pay for the spa treatment? And conversely, is the mare going to have to neglect her friendships if she concedes the argument? Suppose she works with her hooves a lot and gets laminitis because she didn't get proper hoof care?To frame this in another perspective, suppose you're a pony and you love Equestria, but are upset by something the royalty is doing. Maybe they're treating some group of ponies unfairly, maybe they're bullying a neighboring country. Suppose you go to try to argue your case, but someone else says "hey, I don't mind any of those things they're complaining about, that pony is just a malcontent. They need to remember that they love Equestria." and zap, they forget all about their "trivial" concerns and go back to being hap-hap-happy.Everyone has something that they cannot do on their own, and everyone has something that no one else can do for them. You cannot live someone else's life for them. You can point out to someone a truth, but you can't bypass their own judgment and make them agree with you. They have to want to change. Maybe people would be happier if they didn't have to think for themselves and let the people in charge do everything for them, but I wouldn't want to live in that brave new world.If you don't have control of your own thoughts, then you really don't have control over anything.(As for the suggestion: If you are referring to what I think you are, then yes, that has happened to me in the past. And I do apologize if my comments seem terse, but this is a frustrating topic for me, and usually everyone tends to imply that it is the fault of the person who is unhappy for not being happier. That stings me really close to home.)I can see your point, the use of such a spell that was used in the show could be (and clearly is for you) a sensitive subject. I personally would not blame those fighting without very good reason. There are reasons to be upset about many things, yet one thing to remember is that dwelling on the negitive will often times not fix it. Lets look into a couple situation, there are times that conflix or argument will not help the situation. To put blame on others, and not yourself, can be a recipe to failure. Fighting will rarely fix problems, espectually in a relationship and it is better to work with one's partner to fix the problem or to leave a bad situation.The freedom to make your own choices is normally always for the best but there are times you can't change on your own and another has to push the change (drug abuse for example, or those that have been blinded by their own negitive feelings). I know this because my step mother seems to only be able to look at the negitive and can't let things go and has at times make life miserable for those around her... though I blame this on her father. I have known her for over 10 years, and any change of her own is extremely slow... yet I admit in this case forcing a change wouldn't help. It is a frustrating situation at least partly because I can't seem to do anything to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Mint Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 hi hiI'm sorry, I shouldn't have made a big deal about it.On a positive note, I always like Celestia's role as a teacher, helping Twilight and her friends learn how to choose the better path. Rather than straight up telling her she was wrong, she told her she needed to think about her actions. There's something of a duality I think about being self directed and working together. When everyone is the same, working together just isn't as helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainless Steel Fox Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I agree with Equestrian Scholar. Reminding them that they love one another stopped an argument that might well have escalated into them saying things they didn't mean and would later regret, and will hopefully give them both breathing space to come up with a compromise.'Honey, if you really need that hooficure, we'll just have to find the money from somewhere else in our family budget. If we put our horns together, I'm sure we can find it somewhere.''Oh my, I didn't know we were that tightly stretched! It's not that I actually need the hooficure dear, so much as that it's going to be a social thing for my friends, and I really wanted to go.''Well, I may have been a bit dramatic about that. If we tighten our nosebags a bit, and I wait another month to buy that new couch for the den...''Really! But you've been drooling over the magazine with it in for months! You'd do that for me dearest?''Honey, I love you, and besides I've got something else to drool over, or rather someone, and she's right in front of me, and even without a hooficure she's eminently droolworthy'And so on and so forth...I stand by what I said earlier that a good character would only be able to amplify love that was already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Mint Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 hi hiEven if there was a conversation like that, which there wasn't (they didn't resolve their argument at all), I have to reiterate again that amplifying an existing emotion is every bit as insidious as if she had pulled love out of thin air. There was no reason to believe that their current state of mind was unnaturally attained, and thus, by strengthening an existing emotion she was forcibly altering their worldview, their priorities and their emotional state. I cannot stress enough that to do so without permission is thoroughly immoral. Simply being a couple does not grant any special rights to the other's mind or body without consent, and even if you have feelings for someone, you still have the right to put your hoof down and say "no." Neither is it a crime to end a relationship that you don't think it working out, regardless of prior feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramble Rose Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I agree with you, Ginger Mint. I felt the same way when I saw that scene - mind control is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianblackberry Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I agree with you, Ginger Mint. I felt the same way when I saw that scene - mind control is not good.I just read it as they were already in love and had those feelings for each other, she just brought forth those already present feelings of real love, like a mental version of a good verbal reminder that "hey you two love each other and this fight is petty", rather than any sort of mental control or force, let along making two ponies two didn't love each other suddenly do. It be great if they made that far more clear, but for the sake of brevity, they glossed over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EquestrianScholar Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 hi hiI'm sorry, I shouldn't have made a big deal about it.On a positive note, I always like Celestia's role as a teacher, helping Twilight and her friends learn how to choose the better path. Rather than straight up telling her she was wrong, she told her she needed to think about her actions. There's something of a duality I think about being self directed and working together. When everyone is the same, working together just isn't as helpful.No need to apoligize This I agree with completely, it actually annoys me when some fans think Celestia should be fixing all the problems. She guides, she watches over, she teaches, she gives hints... but she does not control or do it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconofChaos Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Haven't had time to read the entire thread, so sorry if this has been posted already...Galloping Gorge and Saddle Arabia. Potential new RP locations? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianblackberry Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Haven't had time to read the entire thread, so sorry if this has been posted already...Galloping Gorge and Saddle Arabia. Potential new RP locations?At this point I am wondering if I should expand/redo the map because they just keep adding in areas and I just manage to get the last batch in.Heck, where would I put two new ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxwell Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Perhaps Saddle Arabia has camels as the dominant species? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weesh Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Perhaps Saddle Arabia has camels as the dominant species?Wow. I can't imagine a cute camel, but if anyone can do it, I bet MLP can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainless Steel Fox Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Perhaps Saddle Arabia has camels as the dominant species?I had the same thought, and I know I put it somewhere in Proposed Lore.Bedouin camels with burnooses and white robes, and cities with domes and minarettes who say 'Salam' and call people 'Effendi'.(To any Middle Eastern bronies, no offense intended. I'm English, and I've never worn a bowler hat, taken part in a football riot, or even gone to a football (soccer) game, morrris danced, or said 'I say!' as an exclamation. I do however drink massive amounts of tea.)I think it would heavily draw on sources like the Disney version of Aladdin for look and style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewind Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I saw that poll, and immediately my heart went out to the RP organizers here.That is very interesting though -- maybe we'll see some of those places in S3! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davroth Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 At this point I am wondering if I should expand/redo the map because they just keep adding in areas and I just manage to get the last batch in.Heck, where would I put two new ones?Wasn't there untapped land on the left? Beyond the griffon territory? Saddle Arabia should be near Zebra land (name escapes me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianblackberry Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Wasn't there untapped land on the left? Beyond the griffon territory? Saddle Arabia should be near Zebra land (name escapes me).Well the Griffin Territory extends all the way to the far sea, it is just much of it is difficult terrain and thus very sparely populated and not entirely explored.With people's ideas of a Saddle Arabia, Mexicolt, Australia (forgot the pony name), and even strong indications of a France like region, what would need to happen to accommodate all of these is to significantly expand the size of the map itself and add the news areas in.Galloping Gorge I probably can squeeze in as a small resort town somewhere on the present map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davroth Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Well the Griffin Territory extends all the way to the far sea, it is just much of it is difficult terrain and thus very sparely populated and not entirely explored.With people's ideas of a Saddle Arabia, Mexicolt, Australia (forgot the pony name), and even strong indications of a France like region, what would need to happen to accommodate all of these is to significantly expand the size of the map itself and add the news areas in.Galloping Gorge I probably can squeeze in as a small resort town somewhere on the present map.Hmm, from talking to Manestream I was under the impression that you guys actually don't look for more real world expy lands for the mane RP. And people will just leap at it if it's on the new, official map. Wouldn't it be better to first sort out what's already there, like, with lore and everything, before adding more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianblackberry Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Hmm, from talking to Manestream I was under the impression that you guys actually don't look for more real world expy lands for the mane RP. And people will just leap at it if it's on the new, official map. Wouldn't it be better to first sort out what's already there, like, with lore and everything, before adding more?I was just speculating. Right now I have added Las Pegasus, Baltimare, Dodge Junction, and Tartarus to the new official maps. One I sit down with Manestream, I can make sure she is fine with the descriptions, but there are all already on the RP maps. I would like to get them, Germaney, and Itality all set before asking about new lands (I was just speculating into the future potential), although Galloping Gorge may be something I can get their ok to add in ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/en_US/media/browse.cfm?type=videosI'm surprised no one has posted this yet! The full version of "Love is in Bloom" is now released!...WOW. That's all I can say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxwell Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.hasbro.co...cfm?type=videosI'm surprised no one has posted this yet! The full version of "Love is in Bloom" is now released!...WOW. That's all I can say!All of my yes! ALL OF IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starswirlthebearded Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.hasbro.co...cfm?type=videosI'm surprised no one has posted this yet! The full version of "Love is in Bloom" is now released!...WOW. That's all I can say!No one posted it because they were all watching it on repeat wondering when Archie would remix it. At least that is what I was doing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler008bon Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 No one posted it because they were all watching it on repeat wondering when Archie would remix it. At least that is what I was doing.... I'm just hopiing for a remix, Winter Wrap Up remixes can be sung by memory at this point, I need something new! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starswirlthebearded Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm just hopiing for a remix, Winter Wrap Up remixes can be sung by memory at this point, I need something new! I've decided that any remix should distort pony to sound like brony. And remove "best wedding ever" or make two, one with it at the very end and one without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessa Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Split the flutterdash shipping tangent to here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Mint Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 hi hiI've got some mixed feelings about the songs from A Canterlot Wedding (pun intended).BBBFF is all around pretty good, and This Day Aria is awesome, but they're not really songs that I can sing along with. I mean, Smile x3 and Winter Wrap Up are two pieces of cake, and if I feel a little embarrassed even if there's no one around to hear me, I can change a couple words here and there and it totally sounds like I'm not necessarily singing a song about ponies, or getting married. (and my big brother and I fought all the time when we were little) I suspect there are others who don't have that same problem though.Love is in Bloom is a catchy tune, but I'm not really sold on the lyrics. I do have a few instrumental remixes of it that I've listened to a few dozen times now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutterscotch Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 AJ's liarface.....WHAT IF....AJ was replaced by a changeling? And that liarface was our clue? Sure it put on her hat....but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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